Problems with Reflow Oven Profiles



Problems with Reflow Oven Profiles
What are the proper attachment methods when using thermocouples to record temperatures when conducting reflow profiles?
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Phil Zarrow
Phil Zarrow
With over 35 years experience in PCB assembly, Phil is one of the leading experts in SMT process failure analysis. He has vast experience in SMT equipment, materials and processes.
Jim Hall
Jim Hall
A Lean Six-Sigma Master Blackbelt, Jim has a wealth of knowledge in soldering, thermal technology, equipment and process basics. He is a pioneer in the science of reflow.

Transcript


Phil
Welcome to Board Talk. This is Phil Zarrow and Jim Hall, the Assembly Brothers, who normally try to get employment through ITM Consulting, but today, we're here to talk about your problems with surface mount technology related issues and it could be equipment, materials, processes, people, whoever, whatever.

Jim
We've got a reflow problem from J.R. in Abertine, Texas.

Phil
Okay, and let's see what old JR has to say. He says, "Our company is a low-volume, high-mix EMS." There are a lot of those out there. "I'm a good doobie. I profile every individual board."

"I use at least three TC's on every board and more on complex ones." So far so good. "I've heard you guys talking about attaching TC's with epoxy or a high-temp solder. Well, I use Kapton tape and I get good results."

Jim
You say the TC's stay attached. How do you know, JR? Do you ride the boards through the oven?

Do you have webcams in your reflow section? Kapton is a great material, that's not the problem. The problem is the adhesives. The adhesive that holds that Kapton layer on are temperature sensitive. They soften at high temperature and when it softens, contact between the thermal couple and what you're trying to measure can be reduced and it doesn't take much to give you an inaccurate reading.

Remember, the greatest risk is when the temperature's the highest. That's at peak reflow temperature, and that's probably the most critical point, particularly if you're doing lead-free and you're working with a really tight process window.

What's confusing is as you go through cooling, the adhesive re-hardens and it looks fine when it comes out. So the bottom line is, the Kapton tape works most of the time, but you can never be sure on any given profile on any given thermal couple.

So what should you do, Phil?

Phil
First of all, the best procedure we have found, and believe me, we've tried lots of things over the years. The first thing is once you pick your point, the joint where you're going to be attaching your thermal couple, you want to remove as much of the existing solder that's there first. Get it off there. And this is what's going to save you lots of headaches because otherwise if you leave the old solder it's going to undermine the connection.

And unless you want to be doing this over and over and over again. You want to do this right. Use some solder wick. Get as much of that old solder off and then you want to use a very small amount of solder, high temp solder or a conductive epoxy.

The reason we emphasize using a small amount is you don't want to have too big a mass at that interconnection that may give you wrong readings, inaccurate readings. You do that and you know what? You know all that Kapton tape you bought, use it for strain relief.

So again, this is the most time-tested method, either high-temp solder or the conductive epoxy. As Jim said, we've tried everything. Did I ever tell you about the time I tried using RTV? It was one of those things that seemed like a good idea at the time, but well, we won't go there.

Okay, we are Phil Zarrow and Jim Hall, the Assembly Brothers, and we bid you good day. And remember ...

Jim
Don't solder like my brother.

Phil
Don't solder like my brother.

Jim
And keep the kids away from the solder pot.



Comments

We use thermal conductive paste, we then hold the TC down in the paste with Kapton tape.
Willie Human, Mecalc
Nice session on TC attachment. It took me a couple seconds to realize that you were saying BOARD talk, not BORED talk, but that is just the effect of the cold New England weather.

We sometime forget that new folks don't know the basics or older folks (including me) begin taking shortcuts that get us into trouble. Kapton tape at the TC tip is one of those easy to do short cuts.

The high temp solder (usually hi lead 90/10) and thermal epoxies (good to 290 for short times) are good ways to attach the TC's. But they usually require that we sacrifice a board, and it takes some effort to prepare. I agree with the KIC guys that the aluminum tape with Kapton tape as a strain relief is great method. It is quick, non-permanent, and holds the tip of the TC in intimate contact with the joint.
Fred Dimock, Manager, Process Technology, BTU International
We have medium volume and high mix and we are using tape too with good results.
Sergio Ilescas Hernandez, Arris Group de mexico, Mexico
The Rochester Institute of Technology just conducted a study on TC attachment. Phil and Jim you were dead on. I was kind of surprised high temp solder tested so poorly. Interesting how slow it is to respond in the all important peak zone of your profile. The study also showed aluminum tape with the best results.

See: Thermocouple Attachment Results are in!
Brian O'Leary, KIC
Good to see your piece on connecting thermocouples. In our everyday life we see still a lot of customers struggling with this and then not measuring the real temperatures they need to measure. Keep going strong.
Marc Dalderup, Rehm Thermal Systems
Hey guys, nicely done. I like the car-talk like format, it is fun. Mike Limberg and I just got done writing a book on profiling, we used the dummies like format and had a lot of fun with it.

We have a whole section on TC attachment. We are a big fan of conductive Aluminum tape, used along with Kapton for strain relief like you mention in your podcast. We talk about high temp solder and epoxy which can work also, but like you said you got to be careful of mass. Lot of times we see unequal amounts applied per TC that can throw your readings. What is your take on aluminum tape, realizing of course it is a non permanent solution?
Brian O'Leary, KIC
Below is a link to a site with we send our customers to with respect to TC attachment. We have found that alumimum tape is a fast secure way to attach TC's. Many of our customers are High Mix Low Volume and can not scrap a board, they must ship all the bare baords they receive. http://profilingguru.com/
Michael Limberg, KIC

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